Why Selflessness is Immoral
Posted by evanescent on 15 February, 2008
Selflessness or altruism means putting the interests of others above yourself. Just as “selfishness” has negative connotations in society of self-interest at the expense of others, “altruism” is often thought of as kind or generous acts for others. This view is wrong. It is wrong because the originator of the term himself, Auguste Comte, meant it to mean precisely what it implies: acting for the sake of others with no thought to oneself.
It is this true original definition of altruism that I am using here, and I will use altruism and selflessness interchangeably.
Selflessness is irrational. It is irrational because it demands that the beneficiary of your actions be others. Does it suggest who these others should be? That is a decision an individual would make for himself based on his personal values. But, since altruism dictates that we should hold our interests or values in no regard when acting, altruism actually states that the personal value of the beneficiary be irrelevant to our action! By this “logic” not only would giving money to a drug-dealing rapist be just as moral as giving money to an orphanage, it would be more moral!
Why is that? It comes down to personal values. To suggest that some people are more worthy than others to benefit from acts of generosity implies that one has made a value judgment oneself in such matters based on a personal evaluation of worth. But acting in accordance with one’s personal values is a SELFISH act. Choosing to help your friend over a stranger is a selfish act. Choosing to save the life of your lover over the life of an enemy is a selfish act. Going to work and spending your hard-earned money on yourself and not giving it to every beggar in the street who asks is a selfish act. Conversely, giving help to an unknown over a friend would be selfless. Giving up the life of your lover so that a hated person could live would be a selfless act. Coming home from work and handing out £50 notes to people you see on the street would be a selfless act. Selfless means “otherness”; it means the defiance of personal values.
Clearly, this is not the sort of moral guide most altruists have in mind when they talk about “selflessness” (although many altruists do, such as the religious), yet that is exactly what their “morality” means, and if they disagree they don’t understand their own moral position.
A perfect example of this self-contradiction is in a recent post by the humanist Ebonmuse:
“Instead, what brings happiness is participation - interaction with the world and exploration of all it has to offer, our relationships to friends and loved ones and a larger community, and selfless labor for the good of others.” (Bold mine)
Notice that our friends, our loved ones, our community, our happiness, our interaction are cited as positive things. Positive for whom? Beneficial for whom? For us! These are selfish values. They are a personal value to us, and we act on them because we derive benefit from them. Yet Ebonmuse also insists that our labour be totally unrelated to personal value! So which is it? Should our actions be selfish or selfless? You cannot have it both ways.
Proponents of “selfless morality” (a contradiction in terms) will fiercely disagree and claim that I am attacking a strawman or twisting their position. But clearly I am not: to use any personal values as a guide to making decisions is a selfish act. Selflessness requires the contradiction of personal values; it requires that one act for the sake of acting, for no personal benefit at all. And if you disagree that this is the correct course of action you should not call yourself an altruist or promote selflessness.
The belief that an act (or anything) is good or bad in itself is intrinsicism. However nothing can be good or bad in itself. “Good” or “bad” provoke the question: good or bad to whom? Which implies that someone or something can make a value judgment concerning the objective effect that something in reality will have in regard to their existence. There is only one thing in existence that can do this: consciousness. Moral value judgments arise because of a consciousness’ relation to reality. This is simply, and self-evidently because, for there to be “good” or “bad” – value or non-value, there must be a valuer.
This personal evaluation of what is beneficial or detrimental to a conscious being has to be performed by that conscious being. By identifying the type of being it is and its relationship to reality, a being can discover what is of value to its life and what is not; what is “good” for its life and what is “bad” – and this is what morality is: a code of values to guide actions. That is why true objective morality is not a duty, or set of rules passed on by authority, or a guidebook invented by man. It is something that can, that has to be, objectively discovered by humans; by each human.
For this reason, morality is a personal matter – it is a guide for each of us how to live our lives. It is not an ethereal magical phenomena that arises through social behaviour; it is not determined by social norm or majority whim or evolutionary instinct.
Since morality is a code of values to guide actions, it is necessary that these values be rationally discovered – otherwise they would not correspond to reality and would therefore be useless as a guide to any action. But selflessness would demand the contradiction of our values. It would demand of us sacrifice.
The morality of altruism is the morality of sacrifice: the giving up of higher values for lower ones; surrendering what is of more value to you for what is of less or none. Just as giving up £100 for £5 is irrational, so is sacrificing your values to non-values. But the irrational cannot be the moral, since it is only moral values that can be a guide in our life. Therefore, selflessness and altruism are positively immoral – they require the irrational nonsensical valueless abandonment of our values for a non-existence supposedly intrinsic immanent “good”.
The sacrifice of values cannot result in happiness, since happiness is the lasting joy that arises from achieving our values. Our values guide our actions, and ultimately every action has a purpose, and our ultimate purpose is: life. There is only one alternative: death. And since selfishly pursuing one’s own values is the moral guide to achieve happiness, selflessness is ultimately the immoral guide to achieving suffering. Rational egoism holds life as the standard. Selflessness’s standard is death.



15 February, 2008 at 8:23 pm
I’m not sure I follow you completely. I do think morality is to a large degree selfish. However, I don’t think sacrifice and/or “selflessness” is completely lacking of morality. Humanity, has this tribalistic view of the world. At the nucleus is each individual, however the individual is dependent on the broader community, so reciprocating that help is important to ones own preservation. There does come times where a broader community is dependent on individual acts which may not actually be the best result for the individual rather the community. I do agree that often times these “less selfish” acts may result in death or injury, so they have a significant loss of “value” to the individual. Is the value lost to the individual worth the value gained by the community? I mean, I think it’s case-by-case. And I agree at the heart of it, this “community” must be important to maintaining a better life for the individual. Once, the community is elevated to a higher level than individuals (kind of like nationalistic communist nations) then I think that does become immoral. It’s through this interaction of scales of society as it relates to the individually lived lives, where morality and I suppose justice should be viewed. I’m not sure if I agree with you or not. I think maybe I’m just confused on how you determine when a sacrificial act is moral or immoral? Or do you always see it as immoral?
15 February, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Bill,
It is true that humans derive many benefits from living together, however I wouldn’t use the word dependent as you seem to mean here. A rational being is self-reliant and does not parasitise off others. If by dependent you mean “freely choose to exchange values for mutual benefit”, I agree.
This is exactly the kind of collectivist thinking that utilitarianism and altruism is based on. It completely disregards the existence of individual rights.
Remember, a community in not an entity. A society is not a consciousness. Therefore, society has no values or interests in itself. Only individuals have consciousness - and only an individual can choose its own actions. Society cannot dictate to an individual how he/she should act just by majority voice - only a majority of individuals can try to tell an individual what to do, and they have no right to. What you’re suggesting is sacrifice of one individual to other individuals, but as the article explains, “sacrifice” is irrational and immoral.
Again, you’re confusing the “collective” with individual. A collective is not a consciousness, therefore it has no values. When you say that the life of one individual is not as valuable as the life of many individuals, of value to whom exactly? Certainly it is the individual’s choice to value his/her own life. Values cannot exist independent of a consciousness to value them.
Society is beneficial for an individual, should the individual choose to live in one. That doesn’t make any individual the slave of a society.
Which seems to be what you were espousing above? Communist nations are the political realisation of the altruist morality.
Morality applies to individuals and only to individuals. Now, Rights are a social issue as they apply to individual moral beings in a social context.
Yes. Sacrifice, by definition, is irrational, and therefore always immoral.
If one toils painfully to provide food for one’s family, that is not a sacrifice, because one values one’s family over the effort required to provide for them. Don’t confuse generosity with sacrifice. To “sacrifice” is to give up a greater value for lesser or non-value and this is what makes it irrational and immoral. As long as whatever action one takes, one acts consistently with the hierarchy of one’s values, one will never sacrifice; one will therefore always be acting morally.
15 February, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Well, I was going to write a rebuttal. But, I have to think about this more. I think we see sacrifice differently, as well as the value that a community has for the individual. Well in anycase, looking at different definitions for sacrifice, it is a somewhat ambiguous term. I guess to be as basic as possible, it means giving up something. Now, whether that sacrifice is also couple with a cost-benefit analysis or what values may be gained by that sacrifice is more on the lines of my thinking. But, where we place the gained value, seems to be where we disagree. I do see value in community, so long as it is beneficial to individuals of that community. Maybe it is somewhat utilitarian, because I see that a loss to me that results in large gains to other individuals may be moral. Well, in anycase, I can see that my logic is not complete. Although, I’m not sure I’m wrong or you’re right either.
16 February, 2008 at 8:42 am
Bill, aren’t you at all uncomfortable with such confusion and wouldn’t it be rewarding to be able to reach a conclusion about sacrifice with a good measure of certainty? Have you read “Atlas Shrugged?”
16 February, 2008 at 8:52 am
No, I haven’t really read any Ayn Rand yet. I’ve been suggested it before. So maybe I’ll read it. As far as reaching a conclusion about sacrifice. Sure, I would like to be more certain than I am now about it.
16 February, 2008 at 11:53 am
An independent individual is a trader. He trades values (spiritual or material) with other individuals in society. An example of an independent individual is a fine arts painter who sells his paintings to willing buyers.
A dependent individual does not deal with others through trade. An example of a dependent is a slave–or a bureaucrat who enforces controls of business and is paid by tax money, that is, money taken from productive people without their individual consent.
16 February, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Bill, although Objectivism is conclusively proven from its epistemology and metaphysics onwards, a book like “Objectivism - The Philosophy of Ayn Rand” by Peikoff would be excellent but heavy at first. For an excellent series of articles on the morality of rational egoism and why altruism is evil, I strongly recommend the short and inexpensive “The Virtue of Selfishness”; check out Amazon.
16 February, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Bill, Ayn Rand has a number of excellent non-fiction works such as PHILOSOPHY: WHO NEEDS IT? and THE VIRTUE OF SELFISHNESS that discuss these issues in explicit terms. I would recommend any potential reader of Ayn Rand’s work start with them as they do a fine job of setting the stage for Objectivist thought. If you find yourself enjoying these works, ATLAS SHRUGGED is then definitely worth considering.
16 February, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Burgess Laughlin Says:
16 February, 2008 at 11:53 am
An independent individual is a trader. He trades values (spiritual or material) with other individuals in society. An example of an independent individual is a fine arts painter who sells his paintings to willing buyers.
I think this is great for individuals to “trade values”. You seem to suggesting this in a capitalistic manner. But, of course this is a selfish trade.
A dependent individual does not deal with others through trade. An example of a dependent is a slave–or a bureaucrat who enforces controls of business and is paid by tax money, that is, money taken from productive people without their individual consent.
This brings up an example I had, of giving money through charity to the Red Cross or some other relief organization. I realize that I’m sacrificing my own money for such operations. However, If I am in a situation not too disimilar from that which my money and the Red Cross’s hard work is meant to relieve, then I may be regain value, potentially much more value, than I lost. Although, I don’t see this giving as purely for my own benefit, I think I realize that these organizations serve an important part in our society and I want them to continue. So, I don’t even see sacrificing as necessarily a selfless act or an immoral act.
Now as far as dependency on government. Particularly, it seems your logic suggests that scientists, postal workers, and other occupations largely funded by tax money are immoral. I suppose if all this work was funded through individually donated money, you would find it morally acceptable and independent? So, do you think the democratic process (through which our money is redistributed) is immoral? How, can our society operate efficiently and soundly under anarchy? That’s merely a question, not suggesting there is something necessarily wrong with anarchy.
As an aside, thanks to the other commenters and evanescent on reading suggestions.
17 February, 2008 at 12:26 am
Bill, by giving money to charity you are forgetting one thing, and that is, that the people you expect to benefit from your generosity are of value to you. If YOU didn’t care about people then YOU wouldn’t give to charity - therefore you are acting in accordance with your values. Assuming your values are rational, then giving to charity is moral. Therefore, what you give is NOT a sacrifice.
Bill, the alternative with government is not democracy vs anarchy - that is a false dichotomy. We need government. The only question is: are individual rights negotiable or not? If not, then taxation is immoral and wrong. How we finance government is an interesting and complex question and I encourage you to read this: http://ergosum.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/financing-the-government-in-a-free-society/
Anyone who makes a living off the property of others is being immoral. No one has a right to the property of others. No one.
A government that protects individual rights in an objective manner is necessary. But it’s impossible to protect rights by violating them. So the alternative is not anarchy, it is a totally free laissez-faire capitalist society with a government that has no power except that to protect of its citizens.
18 February, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Particularly, it seems your logic suggests that scientists, postal workers, and other occupations largely funded by tax money are immoral.
Nothing I have said suggests I consider these occupations to be immoral. What is immoral is the forcible taking of money through taxation. Mail delivery, for example, should be operated by private enterprises not socialist ones. It is now a monopoly, that is, a breach of the market by government in favor of one group.
So, do you think the democratic process (through which our money is redistributed) is immoral?
Yes. Democracy is a dictatorship by the majority. I support a republic in which a written constitution guarantees individual rights, especially the basic rights of life, liberty, and property. In such a republic there will be no taxation.
How, can our society operate efficiently and soundly under anarchy? That’s merely a question, not suggesting there is something necessarily wrong with anarchy.
It can’t operate efficiently under anarchy. Anarchy is evil, just as its sister, statism, is evil. Anarchy vs. statism is a false dichotomy. I support capitalism instead.
18 February, 2008 at 8:24 pm
I read that several times to find something to disagree with. I couldn’t. Well said — I completely agree.
23 February, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Self is conceptual. and you are blurring the concepts…
If a woman saves her childs life nad give up..
yes its selfish in the sense that her value of child is part of her “self”.
But she has also given up the entire source of that value. her physical self. if she gives her life there is no more conceptual self of her all. She has given up every possible concept of her self for her child. hence selfless in her act.
We could call every act selfish or unselfish.
Your and my reasonings are circular here. This is because the concept of self is defined by the first person, individual.
Trying to define what “self” is for everyone, objectively…thats whats irrational.
23 February, 2008 at 8:58 pm
..”if a woman saves her childs life by giving up her own”…
sorry fo the typo
23 February, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Chris said:
I’m not sure what this means.
No, it’s selfish because the child is a VALUE to her.
I’m not sure what your use of “conceptual self” really means here, Chris.
On the contrary to what you said, the fact that the child is of such value to the woman that she would risk or even give up her life for the child is a selfish act, because the child was of such PERSONAL SELFISH value to begin with. So much so that the woman would rather not live her life without the child.
Now, a truly selfless act would be the woman giving up her life for her most hated enemy for absolutely no reason at all. Or sacrificing her child for the life of someone she despises.
An act is selfish if it is consistent with the hierarchy of your values. An action that sacrifices your values cannot be in your best interest and is therefore selfless.
24 February, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I think in an ideal society you’d be correct. “Selflessness’ would be Immoral. And I would agree with you in most cases of day to day life.
But during War World II many North Germans hid the Jews and Mentally Challenged in their houses away from Nazi Officials.
French resisted Vicy Occupation.
More closer to where I live :a nine year old Amish girl gave up her own life to a gun man.. this act bought time, which in all probability saved at least 8 lives.(West Nickel Mine Shootings).
I guess what i’m thinking here is..
you can’t totally marginalize the individuals choice to morality.
Individuals must find their own freedom-responsibility to find how they act on valuing. And circumstance play a huge role in any Act.
Perhaps sometimes it is acceptable for a person to make an immoral act…As long as they are willing to accept consequence.
24 February, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Hi Chris, what do you mean by “acceptable”? Morality is a guide to human living, and it tells us to act consistently with our values. To do what is right means to never sacrifice your values. Therefore, if life is your value, it is never acceptable to sacrifice your values, in other words: to be immoral.
No circumstances ever excuse an immoral act. Morality can only be violated where force is present, in which case the actor is not responsible for their actions anyway. Inasmuch as an actor is responsible for their actions, they should always strive to the moral thing.
Now, to use the example of the Amish girl, perhaps the people whose lives she wanted to live where of immense to her. I don’t know. But no human being is a sacrificial object for others, and giving your life up for others is NOT a moral act in itself. It depends on the values involved. This is because life and the preservation of values is the moral ideal. Whereas sacrifice is only the ideal if death is the ultimate end.
Like I said earlier, please don’t confuse bravery, generosity, courage, fighting, resistance, or even risking your life with selflessness. All these noble acts require that one act SELFISHLY.
To even use examples of people risking their lives to save others ignores the fact that the people to be saved where of value to the person risking his/her life. A truly selfless act would be the Amish giving her life to save that of the gun man!
25 February, 2008 at 4:39 am
Evanescent,
Given what I know about the Amish and their objectively immoral, anti-life, anti-civilization code of morality, I can reasonably state that the Amish girl’s self-sacrificial actions were driven by her Amish ideology and was therefore immoral. It is very likely that she considered her sacrifice a virtue and a moral duty. Her actions are condemnable.
If she wouldn’t have sacrificed her life, it would not have bought time to save the other 8 people. However, this possibility in no way imputes a moral obligation on the girl to commit the ultimate sacrifice. It is *not* her fault that the lives of the 8 people are in danger–that is the moral crime of the gun man. Therefore, if she selfishly chooses to save her own life instead of being a sacrifical animal to the Amish/altruistic moral code, she is *not* the one to be condemned or held responsible for the endangerment of the lives of the other eight people. It is *not* her responsibility and she did not create this situation that they are stuck in. Indeed, she should have first and foremost thought about saving her own life, and then taken quick and rational steps to mitigate the danger to the other eight people as much as she could in that moment (perhaps, by dialling 911 for the police. Oh, but the Amish are against using the services of civil society, in which case, they deserve their fate.)
25 February, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Hi Ergo, I would have to totally agree with you here on everything you’ve said.
26 February, 2008 at 3:01 am
More debate on Morality, in Response to Ergos point:
The Amish follow an oral tradition called Ordnung. In this tradition they accept what comes. They cannot influence what God brings…from their point of view.
Many speculated, at first locally, That the girls would passively follow the gun mans control, as this acceptance if part of Ordnung.
But thats not what happened… All the Amish school girls offered to pray with the gun man and wait for God., for example…
When 9 year old Fischer implored to the gunman, to “shoot (her), let the the others go”…
She was acting Against her moral obligation, in attempts to save her school mates…
Remember these are the morals of her reality, what she was taught.
She made a individual choice to go against the morality, based upon feeling.. in the heat of the crazy circumstance.
Her consequence was an ultimate sacrifice…but its estimated universally by officials that she saved other lives.
We cannot create a moral principle the works in every situation , because we cannot understand every situation until we experience.
26 February, 2008 at 11:42 am
Chris, I think you misunderstand the nature of principles. The very reason principles exist is because we cannot foresee every situation!
It is precisely because man is not omniscient, and can only act to the best extent of his knowledge, that he needs moral principles which guide his actions.
Moral principles are derived from a rational objective study of man’s nature, and what is in his rational self-interest over his life as a whole.
Moral principles are not contextual or utilitarian. Morals are not based on feeling, happiness, or suffering.
Morality is also NOT determined “universally” by other people based on the consequences of an action. And sacrifice is most certainly not the standard for morality.
Here is an example of a moral principle: “no man has the right to the property of others”. This means that stealing is wrong. There is no circumstance that makes stealing right. There is no context that can override this principle.
Here is another example: “man should act in accordance with his values and never sacrifice a higher value for a lower one” - this makes sacrifice of any kind immoral, no matter what the circumstances. There exists no circumstance where it is acceptable to sacrifice your values.
Note: this all assumes that a person is FREE to make a moral decision. If freedom is not possible, morality is not possible.