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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses&#8217; &#8211; An Orwellian Nightmare</title>
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		<title>By: Adrienne</title>
		<link>http://ellis14.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/jehovahs-witnesses-an-orwellian-nightmare/#comment-5286</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 03:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This cult is incredibly psychologically abusive. I am renting a room in the home of a woman who is a Jehovah&#039;s Witness and whose husband is not one. At first she was very kind to me, but that lasted only as long as I was interested in possible conversion. After two &quot;Bible studies&quot; with these people, I realized that it was a cult that would not tolerate any free thought; I could not answer the questions in their booklets with my own thoughts, only theirs. After I told them &quot;No,&quot; my landlord-friend turned vicious toward me, banning me from all social activities and calling me such unlovely names as dog, swine, Babylonian, and Belial-- and using the Bible itself to &quot;prove&quot; that I was all of these terrible things, and that she is &quot;commanded&quot; to treat me this way.

The real kicker is this: She is collecting food and health assistance from the State but is concealing her assets to collect these benefits illegally. Apparently, she sees nothing wrong with stealing tens of thousands of dollars from the State, but I am an outcast for simply refusing to read any more Watchtower literature. Of course, I will be moving out of her home soon because she is afraid that I will &quot;bring demons into the home. It just sickens me that she is treating me so badly in the name of &quot;Jehovah.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This cult is incredibly psychologically abusive. I am renting a room in the home of a woman who is a Jehovah&#8217;s Witness and whose husband is not one. At first she was very kind to me, but that lasted only as long as I was interested in possible conversion. After two &#8220;Bible studies&#8221; with these people, I realized that it was a cult that would not tolerate any free thought; I could not answer the questions in their booklets with my own thoughts, only theirs. After I told them &#8220;No,&#8221; my landlord-friend turned vicious toward me, banning me from all social activities and calling me such unlovely names as dog, swine, Babylonian, and Belial&#8211; and using the Bible itself to &#8220;prove&#8221; that I was all of these terrible things, and that she is &#8220;commanded&#8221; to treat me this way.</p>
<p>The real kicker is this: She is collecting food and health assistance from the State but is concealing her assets to collect these benefits illegally. Apparently, she sees nothing wrong with stealing tens of thousands of dollars from the State, but I am an outcast for simply refusing to read any more Watchtower literature. Of course, I will be moving out of her home soon because she is afraid that I will &#8220;bring demons into the home. It just sickens me that she is treating me so badly in the name of &#8220;Jehovah.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AV</title>
		<link>http://ellis14.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/jehovahs-witnesses-an-orwellian-nightmare/#comment-2157</link>
		<dc:creator>AV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve written about these guys too:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://fivepublicopinions.blogspot.com/2007/06/things-i-wish-id-said-to-jehovahs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written about these guys too:</p>
<p><a href="http://fivepublicopinions.blogspot.com/2007/06/things-i-wish-id-said-to-jehovahs.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		<title>By: evanescent</title>
		<link>http://ellis14.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/jehovahs-witnesses-an-orwellian-nightmare/#comment-2073</link>
		<dc:creator>evanescent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Danny

thanks for the comment.

You&#039;re right about the tactics of the Watchtower. There is an unspoken Doublethink at work in the methods and minds of the JWs; they claim and pretend to each other that they&#039;re just there to &quot;preach the good news&quot; and talk about the bible. But their goal is to convert, it&#039;s as simple as that.  If they knew in advance that somebody would talk forever about the bible but never convert, they wouldn&#039;t bother with that person.

They are certainly false prophets, but then all religions make claims that never come true.

The Governing Blood certainly has the blood of thousands on its hands.

The &quot;love bomb&quot; effect you describe is also definitely true. Once you are isolated from your former friends and dependent on the JWs for social contact and support, it&#039;s that much harder to leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Danny</p>
<p>thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about the tactics of the Watchtower. There is an unspoken Doublethink at work in the methods and minds of the JWs; they claim and pretend to each other that they&#8217;re just there to &#8220;preach the good news&#8221; and talk about the bible. But their goal is to convert, it&#8217;s as simple as that.  If they knew in advance that somebody would talk forever about the bible but never convert, they wouldn&#8217;t bother with that person.</p>
<p>They are certainly false prophets, but then all religions make claims that never come true.</p>
<p>The Governing Blood certainly has the blood of thousands on its hands.</p>
<p>The &#8220;love bomb&#8221; effect you describe is also definitely true. Once you are isolated from your former friends and dependent on the JWs for social contact and support, it&#8217;s that much harder to leave.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Haszard</title>
		<link>http://ellis14.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/jehovahs-witnesses-an-orwellian-nightmare/#comment-2071</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Haszard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you need to know about the Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses is that they say &quot;Jesus had his return to power&quot; aka his second coming in the year 1914.
 
What do you think?
 
Debunking the Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses propaganda:
A) They are at your door to recruit you for enslavement to their watchtower corporation,they will say that &quot;we are just here to share a message from the Bible&quot; this is deception right off. 
 
B) The &#039;message&#039; is their false Gospel that Jesus had his second coming already in 1914.The problem with this,is it&#039;s not just a cute fairy tale,Jesus warned of the false prophets who would claim &quot;..look he is here in the wilderness,or see here he is at the temple&quot; 
 
C) Their anti-blood transfusion ban has killed hundreds if not thousands

 D) once they recruit you they will &quot;love bomb&quot; you in cult fashion to also recruit your family &amp; friends or cut them off. There are many more dangers,Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses got a bad rap for good and valid reasons. 
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Danny Haszard Jehovah&#039;s Witness X 33 years and 3rd generation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you need to know about the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses is that they say &#8220;Jesus had his return to power&#8221; aka his second coming in the year 1914.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>Debunking the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses propaganda:<br />
A) They are at your door to recruit you for enslavement to their watchtower corporation,they will say that &#8220;we are just here to share a message from the Bible&#8221; this is deception right off. </p>
<p>B) The &#8216;message&#8217; is their false Gospel that Jesus had his second coming already in 1914.The problem with this,is it&#8217;s not just a cute fairy tale,Jesus warned of the false prophets who would claim &#8220;..look he is here in the wilderness,or see here he is at the temple&#8221; </p>
<p>C) Their anti-blood transfusion ban has killed hundreds if not thousands</p>
<p> D) once they recruit you they will &#8220;love bomb&#8221; you in cult fashion to also recruit your family &amp; friends or cut them off. There are many more dangers,Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses got a bad rap for good and valid reasons.<br />
&#8212;-<br />
Danny Haszard Jehovah&#8217;s Witness X 33 years and 3rd generation</p>
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		<title>By: evanescent</title>
		<link>http://ellis14.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/jehovahs-witnesses-an-orwellian-nightmare/#comment-1889</link>
		<dc:creator>evanescent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tracya, thanks for commenting.

What you&#039;ve heard about the 144,000 isn&#039;t strictly true.  They believe that 144,000 will go to heaven; the first 144,000 to become baptised after Jesus&#039; sacrifice.  Apparently this number is closed or virtually closed (all the members alive today must be very old).  Those who don&#039;t &quot;make it&quot; into the 144,000 form the &quot;Great Crowd&quot; who will live in paradise forever on earth.  JWs therefore have no belief in an afterlife as such.

As for blood transfusions, I am disgusted.  Granted, I never used to be. I used to be in the position of believing that I would never have one, and I&#039;d make that &quot;courageous&quot; moral call for Jehovah.

Now that I know the truth, I realise that the Governing Body, a collection of old unintelligent clueless sinister old men have the blood of thousands of JWs on their hands.  The only thing that protects them is what protects all religious scams: being &#039;religious&#039;.  If our society treated religion like it did any other commercial enterprise, fraudsters like this (and Scientology etc) would be bankrupt in no time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tracya, thanks for commenting.</p>
<p>What you&#8217;ve heard about the 144,000 isn&#8217;t strictly true.  They believe that 144,000 will go to heaven; the first 144,000 to become baptised after Jesus&#8217; sacrifice.  Apparently this number is closed or virtually closed (all the members alive today must be very old).  Those who don&#8217;t &#8220;make it&#8221; into the 144,000 form the &#8220;Great Crowd&#8221; who will live in paradise forever on earth.  JWs therefore have no belief in an afterlife as such.</p>
<p>As for blood transfusions, I am disgusted.  Granted, I never used to be. I used to be in the position of believing that I would never have one, and I&#8217;d make that &#8220;courageous&#8221; moral call for Jehovah.</p>
<p>Now that I know the truth, I realise that the Governing Body, a collection of old unintelligent clueless sinister old men have the blood of thousands of JWs on their hands.  The only thing that protects them is what protects all religious scams: being &#8216;religious&#8217;.  If our society treated religion like it did any other commercial enterprise, fraudsters like this (and Scientology etc) would be bankrupt in no time.</p>
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		<title>By: tracya</title>
		<link>http://ellis14.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/jehovahs-witnesses-an-orwellian-nightmare/#comment-1884</link>
		<dc:creator>tracya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for presenting JW&#039;s as they are...i&#039;ve also heard that all the converting has to do with their belief that only 140,000 (or is it 139,000?) people will get into the &quot;kingdom of heaven&quot; and as they bring more people into the group they move up the queue...

about blood transfusions, as a nurse we have recently had a 15 year old 20 stone JW boy who&#039;d been hit riding his bike...his hemoglobin dropped to less than 6 (should have been 14-16) his parents (mostly the dad) refused to allow him to be transfused. the hospital finally sought and made him a ward of the court but didn&#039;t transfuse him then either...what was so stressful was that the parents kept bringing in these very well dressed elders who watched and questioned everything the nurses did. they were very intimidating. 

a few months ago we had another JW patient in her 30&#039;s who bled after a nephrectomy, her family let her die...

i agree with them being uneducated. if you are so gullible that you have to be told how to live your life down to the minute details, something is seriously missing. i think it falls into the cult category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for presenting JW&#8217;s as they are&#8230;i&#8217;ve also heard that all the converting has to do with their belief that only 140,000 (or is it 139,000?) people will get into the &#8220;kingdom of heaven&#8221; and as they bring more people into the group they move up the queue&#8230;</p>
<p>about blood transfusions, as a nurse we have recently had a 15 year old 20 stone JW boy who&#8217;d been hit riding his bike&#8230;his hemoglobin dropped to less than 6 (should have been 14-16) his parents (mostly the dad) refused to allow him to be transfused. the hospital finally sought and made him a ward of the court but didn&#8217;t transfuse him then either&#8230;what was so stressful was that the parents kept bringing in these very well dressed elders who watched and questioned everything the nurses did. they were very intimidating. </p>
<p>a few months ago we had another JW patient in her 30&#8217;s who bled after a nephrectomy, her family let her die&#8230;</p>
<p>i agree with them being uneducated. if you are so gullible that you have to be told how to live your life down to the minute details, something is seriously missing. i think it falls into the cult category.</p>
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		<title>By: Doris Tracey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doris Tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a wonderful post and full of enlightenment. As you know we are all here to learn something in this world and birds of a feather always flock together. Many sects do not believe in free will and I realize that many have lost their free will. Many of us in America  seem to be sitting in different camps and are not united in our minds and hearts, very dangerous. Many of us seem like aliens to one another, we have grown so far apart, very sad to me. Many people are searching and desire to know truth, and unfortunately end up in the wrong direction. We all learn through trial and error and suffering. I am sad for this superficial world we live in. It is very lonely to not know people for who they really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful post and full of enlightenment. As you know we are all here to learn something in this world and birds of a feather always flock together. Many sects do not believe in free will and I realize that many have lost their free will. Many of us in America  seem to be sitting in different camps and are not united in our minds and hearts, very dangerous. Many of us seem like aliens to one another, we have grown so far apart, very sad to me. Many people are searching and desire to know truth, and unfortunately end up in the wrong direction. We all learn through trial and error and suffering. I am sad for this superficial world we live in. It is very lonely to not know people for who they really are.</p>
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		<title>By: Spanish Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://ellis14.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/jehovahs-witnesses-an-orwellian-nightmare/#comment-1863</link>
		<dc:creator>Spanish Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. Seriously. I didn&#039;t know that much about the JWs.

By the way. You&#039;ve been &lt;a href=&quot;http://spaninquis.wordpress.com/2007/09/29/the-evolution-of-meme/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tagged&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. Seriously. I didn&#8217;t know that much about the JWs.</p>
<p>By the way. You&#8217;ve been <a href="http://spaninquis.wordpress.com/2007/09/29/the-evolution-of-meme/" rel="nofollow">tagged</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ordinary girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>ordinary girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;To live in a world of Jehovah’s Witnesses would be to live in a sterile ignorant Dark Ages.  Freedom of speech and right of opinion would be the first to go.  Next would follow the right to gamble.  Sexual freedom?  Not a chance.  One partner, forever, in the one position.  Sex before marriage? Gone.  Homosexuality?  Punishable by death.  Dating?  No, not unless  you intend to marry.  Science?  Only if it doesn’t conflict with the Society’s understanding of scripture.  (So, no then.)  There would be only one train of thought: The Society’s.  Any contrary viewpoint would be censored.&lt;/i&gt;

I was raised in a Pentecostal, fundamentalist, Christian church and their teaching did not differ at all in these aspects.  My parents would have been more for segregation from elements like homosexuality and witchcraft or possibly &quot;re-education&quot; for those people, instead of death, but there were members that wanted the literal interpretation of the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>To live in a world of Jehovah’s Witnesses would be to live in a sterile ignorant Dark Ages.  Freedom of speech and right of opinion would be the first to go.  Next would follow the right to gamble.  Sexual freedom?  Not a chance.  One partner, forever, in the one position.  Sex before marriage? Gone.  Homosexuality?  Punishable by death.  Dating?  No, not unless  you intend to marry.  Science?  Only if it doesn’t conflict with the Society’s understanding of scripture.  (So, no then.)  There would be only one train of thought: The Society’s.  Any contrary viewpoint would be censored.</i></p>
<p>I was raised in a Pentecostal, fundamentalist, Christian church and their teaching did not differ at all in these aspects.  My parents would have been more for segregation from elements like homosexuality and witchcraft or possibly &#8220;re-education&#8221; for those people, instead of death, but there were members that wanted the literal interpretation of the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to take great satisfaction from arguing with JWs when they knock the door. I must be in a very small minority that actually wants JWs to come and knock on my door! It&#039;s good sport and entertainment, and if I can keeo them at my door for as long as possible, then I&#039;m pleased to do my fellow man a service to keep them occupied. :)

Sadly, I now live in an area that seems devoid of JWs. I&#039;ve even considered attending an Alpha Course to get the same kind of sport. Maybe I could infiltrate and blog about the experience... :)

I also agree with your point about intelligence being generally inversely proportionate to the religious thinker, and not just JWs. It&#039;s one of the topics I&#039;ve thought about posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to take great satisfaction from arguing with JWs when they knock the door. I must be in a very small minority that actually wants JWs to come and knock on my door! It&#8217;s good sport and entertainment, and if I can keeo them at my door for as long as possible, then I&#8217;m pleased to do my fellow man a service to keep them occupied. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sadly, I now live in an area that seems devoid of JWs. I&#8217;ve even considered attending an Alpha Course to get the same kind of sport. Maybe I could infiltrate and blog about the experience&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I also agree with your point about intelligence being generally inversely proportionate to the religious thinker, and not just JWs. It&#8217;s one of the topics I&#8217;ve thought about posting.</p>
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		<title>By: cragar</title>
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		<dc:creator>cragar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interesting thing, and I may point out more later, is that thing about the door to door prosceltyzing.  Who are the most likely persons to open the door and take a listen?  Why the poor and uneducated of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting thing, and I may point out more later, is that thing about the door to door prosceltyzing.  Who are the most likely persons to open the door and take a listen?  Why the poor and uneducated of course!</p>
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		<title>By: evanescent</title>
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		<dc:creator>evanescent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very astutely observed, cragar! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very astutely observed, cragar! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cragar</title>
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		<dc:creator>cragar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, I&#039;ll watch the video tonight when I get home.

&lt;i&gt;My gripe is not that the Watchtower is consistently wrong (which it is), but that they rewrite their history and lie to their members.  Their stance on organ transplants has changed at least twice, and they have publically eased off on the stance of blood transfusions.&lt;/i&gt;

From everything I have seen they are still promoting to not get blood transfusions.  

&lt;i&gt;Another unfortunate observation I have of Jehovah’s Witnesses is their low intelligence.  You may think me rather arrogant or superior-thinking to say that, but the reality however is really just that simple.  In general, attendees are not very well educated and not very good at logical thinking.&lt;/i&gt;

This kind of ties in with your previous point that they cannot view opposing opinions.  Once indoctrined, who wants to be a logical thinker since the system is going to end and we are going to have a 1000 year reign anyway?  They even severely downplay getting a higher education-the very thing that will probably cause an even semi intelligent person to go WTF are they teaching me over there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, I&#8217;ll watch the video tonight when I get home.</p>
<p><i>My gripe is not that the Watchtower is consistently wrong (which it is), but that they rewrite their history and lie to their members.  Their stance on organ transplants has changed at least twice, and they have publically eased off on the stance of blood transfusions.</i></p>
<p>From everything I have seen they are still promoting to not get blood transfusions.  </p>
<p><i>Another unfortunate observation I have of Jehovah’s Witnesses is their low intelligence.  You may think me rather arrogant or superior-thinking to say that, but the reality however is really just that simple.  In general, attendees are not very well educated and not very good at logical thinking.</i></p>
<p>This kind of ties in with your previous point that they cannot view opposing opinions.  Once indoctrined, who wants to be a logical thinker since the system is going to end and we are going to have a 1000 year reign anyway?  They even severely downplay getting a higher education-the very thing that will probably cause an even semi intelligent person to go WTF are they teaching me over there?</p>
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