Comments on: Osama bin Laden video – an infidel’s response

By: evanescent

evanescent — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:28:35 +0000

I don’t doubt for the second that the US government has done and continues to use psyops, nor do I believe you have to be a conspiracy nut to think the US government hides things from its populace. But I also see no good reason to not take the video prima facie as genuine; I trust the translation because it’s been translated all over the web by various sources (it is not as if the US government are the only ones who can translate Arabic!)

By: Wolf Pangloss

Wolf Pangloss — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 02:12:06 +0000

If the US government was running psyops against the US populace, don’t you think that the Iraq war would be more popular, nobody would be publicly making fun of Bush or Cheney, and the newspapers wouldn’t be so full of anti-American, anti-military propaganda straight out of the Pravda style book?

Since this is not happening, psyops are not happening. Either psyops are happening or they are not. You can’t have it both ways.

By: cadeveo

cadeveo — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 00:24:15 +0000

Don’t think it’s possible to figure out what really happened on 9/11 because there’s too much information we will never be privy to, for many,
many reasons. Only provisional conclusions are possible. We’re still in the thick of it. That being said, the official story is a steaming load, in my opinion.

And it does happen to be pretty coincidental how the timing of the Bin Laden videos work–it certainly seems convenient that they serve the interests of psychopaths in charge over here, as much as they do Al Qaeda or whoever. Osama is a mirror image of our psychopaths, just in different cultural garb and a different amount of leeway to get away with using the same insane tactics for similarly dubious ends.

You don’t need to be a true-believing Alex Jones-Head to acknowledge that psychological warfare and propaganda exist; that they have frequently been aimed at a government’s own population is something that happens the world over, even in apparent democracies, and perhaps more often than one would like to think, and not just in the distant past but in the present age also. That’s not conspiracy theory. It’s conspiracy fact with plenty of corroboration, if you really care to look into it.
If that’s not your bag, fine. But don’t write it off out of hand.
Or do. It’s your site. Do what you want.

Given the history, though, it’s not totally nuts for someone to make an automatic assumption that the videos are psyops, no more crazy than the equally automatic obverse response that you represent (the belief that the video really is from Osama or Al Qaeda, has been accurately translated and hasn’t been tampered with in some way for one agenda or another).

Today’s reasonable view often becomes tomorrow’s folly.

Good analysis of the statement as such, though, regardless.

Peace.

By: thescoundrel

thescoundrel — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:57:48 +0000

As to bin Laden, he has no desire to fix anything that isn’t fixed in his philosophical images. And he won’t fix Iraq because he is a part of the problem in Iraq. He has just offered his nonnegotiable solutions in the speech.

Sorry Planet, I will pass on the link to Alex Jones info wars/prison planet propaganda. I have read his stuff before.

By: evanescent

evanescent — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:57:48 +0000

Hi apparentlywasted,

I’m not entirely sure what the problem is to be “fixed” though. I’m not saying the Western world is a paradise, but Bin Laden attacks democracy. Well, what needs to be fixed, ideologically speaking, about democracy?

I would still be against bin Laden even if he didn’t kill anyone, because I reject the mentality that he fosters amongst his followers and I reject what he and his religion stand for.

But, everyone is entitled to freedom of belief and speech and it would be a lot easier to accept this if hundreds of thousands of innocent people weren’t paying the price with their lives. Unfortunately, I do not believe a religion exists that doesn’t cause harm.

By: apparentlywasted

apparentlywasted — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:49:06 +0000

If Osama’s idea to fix this wasn’t killing 3000 civilians and making the Qu’ran ultimate law on every single issue I wouldn’t be that against him. Unfortunately that is his idea and I am against him.

By: evanescent

evanescent — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:27:10 +0000

Sound advice.

By: BlackSun

BlackSun — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:06:11 +0000

Don’t even engage with the conspiracy freaks.

By: evanescent

evanescent — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:27:13 +0000

Hi This Planet, thanks for taking the time to comment. What “really happened” on 9/11 then?

By: This Planet

This Planet — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:24:14 +0000

Osama has never failed in ensuring his tapes get released at the most politically opportune times – not for ‘Al-Qaeda’ – but for the Neo-Cons and the Bush administration.

On the eve of the Iraq war, during Colin Powell’s infamous presentation to the UN, an audio tape in which bin Laden claimed he was allied with Saddam Hussein surfaced, a gift-wrapped present for the Neo-Cons who had consistently been proven wrong in their assertion that there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11.

The Osama tapes are about as genuine as a used car salesman convention, and have been proven fraudulent on countless occasions. They are nothing more than crude propaganda unleashed in a desperate move to put the genie of what really happened on 9/11 back in the bottle. infowars dot com