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		<title>By: evanescent</title>
		<link>http://ellis14.wordpress.com/2007/06/21/my-soul-thu-21st-jun-07/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>evanescent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Imugi and John P and thanks for the comments; I&#039;ve been away.

Actually Imugi what you said makes a lot of sense.  Perhaps it&#039;s poetical but it&#039;s a very interesting way of seeing existence.  I especially like the &#039;sculpture being contained in a block of marble&#039; thought experiment.

John P: we agree 100%!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Imugi and John P and thanks for the comments; I&#8217;ve been away.</p>
<p>Actually Imugi what you said makes a lot of sense.  Perhaps it&#8217;s poetical but it&#8217;s a very interesting way of seeing existence.  I especially like the &#8217;sculpture being contained in a block of marble&#8217; thought experiment.</p>
<p>John P: we agree 100%!</p>
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		<title>By: John P</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I get your bottom line, basically you are saying there is no such thing as a soul. It&#039;s an invention of man to explain things we couldn&#039;t explain in the infancy and adolescence of human development. There is no evidence that a soul exists. Man had to point to something that our sense of our own existence, and knowing nothing about the function of the brain, and consciousness, they came up with the idea of the soul.  

Likewise, there is no supernatural, and I don&#039;t believe in any duality of being. Advances in neuroscience seem to be pointing to our consciousness, what we often call our soul, as a simple function of the brain. There is only that singularity. I look forward to Sam Harris completing his doctorate in that field, as I expect he&#039;ll have a lot of good things to say about the soul.

I have no problem with the metaphorical use of the term, any more than I have a problem with the metaphorical use of the heart as a center for our emotions. Clearly the heart does not control emotion. It&#039;s just a muscle. Same with the soul. It&#039;s a nice concept, and give us something to rhyme with on Hallmark cards, but it explains nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I get your bottom line, basically you are saying there is no such thing as a soul. It&#8217;s an invention of man to explain things we couldn&#8217;t explain in the infancy and adolescence of human development. There is no evidence that a soul exists. Man had to point to something that our sense of our own existence, and knowing nothing about the function of the brain, and consciousness, they came up with the idea of the soul.  </p>
<p>Likewise, there is no supernatural, and I don&#8217;t believe in any duality of being. Advances in neuroscience seem to be pointing to our consciousness, what we often call our soul, as a simple function of the brain. There is only that singularity. I look forward to Sam Harris completing his doctorate in that field, as I expect he&#8217;ll have a lot of good things to say about the soul.</p>
<p>I have no problem with the metaphorical use of the term, any more than I have a problem with the metaphorical use of the heart as a center for our emotions. Clearly the heart does not control emotion. It&#8217;s just a muscle. Same with the soul. It&#8217;s a nice concept, and give us something to rhyme with on Hallmark cards, but it explains nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: The Imugi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, well I would say that the soul is definitely of the same &quot;substance&quot; as the rest of the universe. I think of it simply as the &quot;mode&quot; of that substance which a given being exercises---the capacity of that thing for existence.

For example, you and I, as human beings, have the same soul because we each are exercising the same mode of existence (which we call human). Dogs have their own mode of existence. I think we could look at artifacts, like cars and chairs, as having souls as well---or perhaps as simply having &quot;modifications&quot; of souls which exist naturally (i.e. the scultpure is potentially contained in the block of marble).

In terms of our metaphysical understanding of the world, I think it does add something. If we regard each being as an expression of the universe, then the soul of x basically sets the boundaries for x&#039;s expression. We can look at the soul both as the potential of each being, or as the *limit* of each being. In the language of existentialism, we might say it is where existence stops, bordered by nothingness.

Perhaps that&#039;s more poetical then metaphysical? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, well I would say that the soul is definitely of the same &#8220;substance&#8221; as the rest of the universe. I think of it simply as the &#8220;mode&#8221; of that substance which a given being exercises&#8212;the capacity of that thing for existence.</p>
<p>For example, you and I, as human beings, have the same soul because we each are exercising the same mode of existence (which we call human). Dogs have their own mode of existence. I think we could look at artifacts, like cars and chairs, as having souls as well&#8212;or perhaps as simply having &#8220;modifications&#8221; of souls which exist naturally (i.e. the scultpure is potentially contained in the block of marble).</p>
<p>In terms of our metaphysical understanding of the world, I think it does add something. If we regard each being as an expression of the universe, then the soul of x basically sets the boundaries for x&#8217;s expression. We can look at the soul both as the potential of each being, or as the *limit* of each being. In the language of existentialism, we might say it is where existence stops, bordered by nothingness.</p>
<p>Perhaps that&#8217;s more poetical then metaphysical? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: evanescent</title>
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		<dc:creator>evanescent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at your expansion of #2 then Imugi, you would say that all things in existence have &quot;souls&quot; (like chairs and cars)?  Is the &quot;soul&quot; a new kind of substance, ontologically speaking, or is it the same substance as the rest of the universe?

Do you think it adds anything metaphysically to our understanding of the world?

I, very much like you, shudder when anything dualistic comes my way! ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at your expansion of #2 then Imugi, you would say that all things in existence have &#8220;souls&#8221; (like chairs and cars)?  Is the &#8220;soul&#8221; a new kind of substance, ontologically speaking, or is it the same substance as the rest of the universe?</p>
<p>Do you think it adds anything metaphysically to our understanding of the world?</p>
<p>I, very much like you, shudder when anything dualistic comes my way! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Imugi</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Imugi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much thought concerning the &quot;soul&quot; in Western philosophy is bogged down with a Platonic/Cartesian dualism. 

Option #2 I think could be explored in much more detail, I think. Typically, when we think of a &quot;soul&quot; we think of some kind of detachable, ectoplasmic consciousness which is contained (perhaps trapped?) inside the body. Could it not be possible that the &quot;soul&quot; is not contained by the body, but contains the body? Aristotle&#039;s theory of hylomorphism is still somewhat dualistic, but I think it presents a much more coherent view of the soul. In this sense, soul is not simply &quot;body&quot; nor is it a &quot;ghost&quot;, nor is it a &quot;metaphor&quot;. It means something more like &quot;mode of being&quot; or &quot;capacity for existence&quot;. In this sense, everything that is has a &quot;soul&quot;, although not a Platonic/Cartesian soul.

I guess I pretty much agree with what have to say about Option 3, but I think in a sense it&#039;s more than simply a metaphor ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much thought concerning the &#8220;soul&#8221; in Western philosophy is bogged down with a Platonic/Cartesian dualism. </p>
<p>Option #2 I think could be explored in much more detail, I think. Typically, when we think of a &#8220;soul&#8221; we think of some kind of detachable, ectoplasmic consciousness which is contained (perhaps trapped?) inside the body. Could it not be possible that the &#8220;soul&#8221; is not contained by the body, but contains the body? Aristotle&#8217;s theory of hylomorphism is still somewhat dualistic, but I think it presents a much more coherent view of the soul. In this sense, soul is not simply &#8220;body&#8221; nor is it a &#8220;ghost&#8221;, nor is it a &#8220;metaphor&#8221;. It means something more like &#8220;mode of being&#8221; or &#8220;capacity for existence&#8221;. In this sense, everything that is has a &#8220;soul&#8221;, although not a Platonic/Cartesian soul.</p>
<p>I guess I pretty much agree with what have to say about Option 3, but I think in a sense it&#8217;s more than simply a metaphor <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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