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	<title>Comments on: My Visit to see Richard Dawkins &#8211; Fri 8th Jun 07</title>
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		<title>By: evanescent</title>
		<link>http://ellis14.wordpress.com/2007/06/08/my-visit-to-see-richard-dawkins-fri-8th-jun-07/#comment-5240</link>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The theory of evolution tries to explain how the world evolved, not how it began&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Very true.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The moment of “singularity” of Big bang theory cannot be explained by the theory of evolution.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Agreed.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;What is beyond the phenomenal reality? Why is there something and not nothing?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

There is nothing beyond reality.  Anything external to &quot;real&quot; is &quot;unreal&quot; and therefore non-existent.

There is something because existence exists.  Nothingness is unreal; it is a concept that we use to refer to the lack of something.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Bible does not teach Science, which is empirical and is limited to the phenomenal world.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I defintiely agree that the bible doesn&#039;t teach science.  The bible teaches many things, mostly aimed at the primitive population who wrote and would be reading it.  For example, the Jews on how and when to circumcise, or that they would be unclean during menstrual cycles, or that God punishes the innocent for the crimes of the guilty, and so on.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Bible teaches about God and his plan for us: Why are we here? What is our destiny? What is the meaning of human existence? This cannot be revealed by Science.
I am a physician and a theologian. I can understand not only the chemical body, but also consciousness, soul, God’s life in the light of the Bible.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I could quote Ayn Rand: &quot;You see, I am an atheist and I have only one religion: the sublime in human nature.&quot;

In the strict sense of the physical sciences, I agree that these don&#039;t hold the answers to man&#039;s questions.  Even science is based on philosophy, and it is this objective philosophy that man needs.  This isn&#039;t to be found in the anti-conceptual sacrificial irrational morality that religion offers, but in the facts of reality and how man interacts with it, and what is good or bad for his existence. Man&#039;s reason can identify this for himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The theory of evolution tries to explain how the world evolved, not how it began&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Very true.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The moment of “singularity” of Big bang theory cannot be explained by the theory of evolution.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;What is beyond the phenomenal reality? Why is there something and not nothing?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>There is nothing beyond reality.  Anything external to &#8220;real&#8221; is &#8220;unreal&#8221; and therefore non-existent.</p>
<p>There is something because existence exists.  Nothingness is unreal; it is a concept that we use to refer to the lack of something.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Bible does not teach Science, which is empirical and is limited to the phenomenal world.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I defintiely agree that the bible doesn&#8217;t teach science.  The bible teaches many things, mostly aimed at the primitive population who wrote and would be reading it.  For example, the Jews on how and when to circumcise, or that they would be unclean during menstrual cycles, or that God punishes the innocent for the crimes of the guilty, and so on.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Bible teaches about God and his plan for us: Why are we here? What is our destiny? What is the meaning of human existence? This cannot be revealed by Science.<br />
I am a physician and a theologian. I can understand not only the chemical body, but also consciousness, soul, God’s life in the light of the Bible.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I could quote Ayn Rand: &#8220;You see, I am an atheist and I have only one religion: the sublime in human nature.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the strict sense of the physical sciences, I agree that these don&#8217;t hold the answers to man&#8217;s questions.  Even science is based on philosophy, and it is this objective philosophy that man needs.  This isn&#8217;t to be found in the anti-conceptual sacrificial irrational morality that religion offers, but in the facts of reality and how man interacts with it, and what is good or bad for his existence. Man&#8217;s reason can identify this for himself.</p>
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		<title>By: icsouza</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear &quot;Evanescent&quot;,
 The theory of evolution tries to explain how the world evolved, not how it began. The moment of &quot;singularity&quot; of Big bang theory cannot be explained by the theory of evolution. What is beyond the phenomenal reality? Why is there something and not nothing? This is the concept of biblical creation. Bible does not teach Science, which is empirical and is limited to the phenomenal world. Bible teaches about God and his plan for us: Why are we here? What is our destiny? What is the meaning of human existence? This cannot be revealed by Science.
I am a physician and a theologian. I can understand not only the chemical body, but also consciousness, soul, God&#039;s life in the light of the Bible.
Dr.Ivo da C.Souza</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear &#8220;Evanescent&#8221;,<br />
 The theory of evolution tries to explain how the world evolved, not how it began. The moment of &#8220;singularity&#8221; of Big bang theory cannot be explained by the theory of evolution. What is beyond the phenomenal reality? Why is there something and not nothing? This is the concept of biblical creation. Bible does not teach Science, which is empirical and is limited to the phenomenal world. Bible teaches about God and his plan for us: Why are we here? What is our destiny? What is the meaning of human existence? This cannot be revealed by Science.<br />
I am a physician and a theologian. I can understand not only the chemical body, but also consciousness, soul, God&#8217;s life in the light of the Bible.<br />
Dr.Ivo da C.Souza</p>
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		<title>By: evanescent</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivo, evolution is a scientific theory.  You are correct when you say &quot;it is a model for explaining natural phenomena&quot; - this is indeed what the Theory does.  But what natural phenomena does it seek to explain?  The FACT that all life is of common descent and creatures evolve from each other.  The latter is a FACT, called evolution.  How we explain this fact is the Theory of Evolution.*

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Science does not contradict Bible.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes it does.  Mysticism has no sharing with fact.  The earth is not 6000 years old, we were not created by god, &quot;god&quot; does not exist, Jesus (if he even lived) was not born of a virgin, animals don&#039;t talk, etc.  The bible is a collection of works written by superstitious primitive humans who had no understanding of how the natural world works and convoluted the supernatural to explain what they couldn&#039;t understand.


*If indeed you are a doctor, and if your speciality is in the physical/natural sciences, you should already know this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivo, evolution is a scientific theory.  You are correct when you say &#8220;it is a model for explaining natural phenomena&#8221; &#8211; this is indeed what the Theory does.  But what natural phenomena does it seek to explain?  The FACT that all life is of common descent and creatures evolve from each other.  The latter is a FACT, called evolution.  How we explain this fact is the Theory of Evolution.*</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Science does not contradict Bible.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes it does.  Mysticism has no sharing with fact.  The earth is not 6000 years old, we were not created by god, &#8220;god&#8221; does not exist, Jesus (if he even lived) was not born of a virgin, animals don&#8217;t talk, etc.  The bible is a collection of works written by superstitious primitive humans who had no understanding of how the natural world works and convoluted the supernatural to explain what they couldn&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>*If indeed you are a doctor, and if your speciality is in the physical/natural sciences, you should already know this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivo da C.Souza</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evolution is a scientific theory. It is a model for explaining natural phenomena. It cannot be called a &quot;fact&quot;. Evolution does not contradict the theological concept of &quot;creation&quot;. We cannot accept &quot;creationism&quot;, namely that creation is a scientific theory. Bible does not teach science. It speaks to us about God and his love towards humanity. We can discuss all these scientific issues. Science does not contradict Bible. Let us discuss openly about all these issues.
Dr.Ivo da Conceiçao Souza (Goa, India)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evolution is a scientific theory. It is a model for explaining natural phenomena. It cannot be called a &#8220;fact&#8221;. Evolution does not contradict the theological concept of &#8220;creation&#8221;. We cannot accept &#8220;creationism&#8221;, namely that creation is a scientific theory. Bible does not teach science. It speaks to us about God and his love towards humanity. We can discuss all these scientific issues. Science does not contradict Bible. Let us discuss openly about all these issues.<br />
Dr.Ivo da Conceiçao Souza (Goa, India)</p>
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		<title>By: evanescent</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Storbakken said:
&quot;It was interesting reading this post. Well, at least the first half.&quot;

Thank you.  At least partly anyway.

Storbakken said:
&quot;I was looking forward to an elaboration to this statement that you wrote: “As he himself says: since Darwin, we can actually explain why we are here!”

Instead of explaining why we are here you went on a name-calling, anti-religion rampage. So, please, tell me why we are here. Evolution will never be able to tell us why we are here. At best, it can explain how we got here.&quot;

If you think this is me on an anti-religion rampage, you should read some of my other articles.  Religion has got a lot to answer for when it encourages ignorance and falsehoods.  Unfortunately, all religion is guilty of this and creationism is just another example, so if I was indeed having an attack on religion, I think it is justified.

I&#039;ll come to your question of why later.

Storbakken said:
&quot;Also, you say that evolution is a theory. This is not correct from an academic perspective. Evolution is considered a theorem by the scientific community. There are theories pertaining to evolution, but evolution, like gravity, is accepted as a fact.&quot;

You misunderstand.  Evolution is a scientific fact.  How we understand it and explain it is a theory.  So, just like gravity, the word evolution can refer to a fact, and a theory.

Example: two objects will exert an attractive force on each other directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.  FACT.

How do we explain that?  The THEORY of gravity.  Our current theory of gravity will probably be thrown out when we complete a quantum theory of gravity.

Example 2: all species on the planet have a common ancestor.  FACT.

How do we explain that?  The THEORY of evolution.  The theory of evolution is our best working explanation of the fact of evolution, and is incredibly powerful and predictive.

Read here for more in depth essay: http://ebonmusings.org/evolution/evotheory.html

Storbakken said:
&quot;So, why are we here?&quot;

How/why - tomato/tomarto in the scientific sense:

Why are we here?  Strictly speaking?  Because self-replicating nucleic acid strings survive and propagate themselves towards better adaptation to their surroundings through the laws of natural selection.  If DNA didn&#039;t replicate and genes did not compete, we wouldn&#039;t exist, so strictly speaking we are here because we live in a world like the one we do.

Evolution explains how this takes place.

If you&#039;re talking about the metaphysics of existence and a meaning for life, my opinion is that evolution has a little something we can learn on this too, which is that life has no purpose.  There is no design, no purpose.  In other words, there is NO REASON WHY humans exist, we simply do.  It&#039;s a brute fact, which means that purpose and meaning is something we have to give to our own lives.

As for name-calling, if you think something I said in the article was unfair, please quote it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Storbakken said:<br />
&#8220;It was interesting reading this post. Well, at least the first half.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you.  At least partly anyway.</p>
<p>Storbakken said:<br />
&#8220;I was looking forward to an elaboration to this statement that you wrote: “As he himself says: since Darwin, we can actually explain why we are here!”</p>
<p>Instead of explaining why we are here you went on a name-calling, anti-religion rampage. So, please, tell me why we are here. Evolution will never be able to tell us why we are here. At best, it can explain how we got here.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you think this is me on an anti-religion rampage, you should read some of my other articles.  Religion has got a lot to answer for when it encourages ignorance and falsehoods.  Unfortunately, all religion is guilty of this and creationism is just another example, so if I was indeed having an attack on religion, I think it is justified.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll come to your question of why later.</p>
<p>Storbakken said:<br />
&#8220;Also, you say that evolution is a theory. This is not correct from an academic perspective. Evolution is considered a theorem by the scientific community. There are theories pertaining to evolution, but evolution, like gravity, is accepted as a fact.&#8221;</p>
<p>You misunderstand.  Evolution is a scientific fact.  How we understand it and explain it is a theory.  So, just like gravity, the word evolution can refer to a fact, and a theory.</p>
<p>Example: two objects will exert an attractive force on each other directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.  FACT.</p>
<p>How do we explain that?  The THEORY of gravity.  Our current theory of gravity will probably be thrown out when we complete a quantum theory of gravity.</p>
<p>Example 2: all species on the planet have a common ancestor.  FACT.</p>
<p>How do we explain that?  The THEORY of evolution.  The theory of evolution is our best working explanation of the fact of evolution, and is incredibly powerful and predictive.</p>
<p>Read here for more in depth essay: <a href="http://ebonmusings.org/evolution/evotheory.html" rel="nofollow">http://ebonmusings.org/evolution/evotheory.html</a></p>
<p>Storbakken said:<br />
&#8220;So, why are we here?&#8221;</p>
<p>How/why &#8211; tomato/tomarto in the scientific sense:</p>
<p>Why are we here?  Strictly speaking?  Because self-replicating nucleic acid strings survive and propagate themselves towards better adaptation to their surroundings through the laws of natural selection.  If DNA didn&#8217;t replicate and genes did not compete, we wouldn&#8217;t exist, so strictly speaking we are here because we live in a world like the one we do.</p>
<p>Evolution explains how this takes place.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re talking about the metaphysics of existence and a meaning for life, my opinion is that evolution has a little something we can learn on this too, which is that life has no purpose.  There is no design, no purpose.  In other words, there is NO REASON WHY humans exist, we simply do.  It&#8217;s a brute fact, which means that purpose and meaning is something we have to give to our own lives.</p>
<p>As for name-calling, if you think something I said in the article was unfair, please quote it.</p>
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		<title>By: storbakken</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was interesting reading this post. Well, at least the first half. I was looking forward to an elaboration to this statement that you wrote: &quot;As he himself says: since Darwin, we can actually explain why we are here!&quot; 

Instead of explaining why we are here you went on a name-calling, anti-religion rampage. So, please, tell me why we are here. Evolution will never be able to tell us why we are here. At best, it can explain how we got here. 

Also, you say that evolution is a theory. This is not correct from an academic perspective. Evolution is considered a theorem by the scientific community. There are theories pertaining to evolution, but evolution, like gravity, is accepted as a fact. 

So, why are we here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was interesting reading this post. Well, at least the first half. I was looking forward to an elaboration to this statement that you wrote: &#8220;As he himself says: since Darwin, we can actually explain why we are here!&#8221; </p>
<p>Instead of explaining why we are here you went on a name-calling, anti-religion rampage. So, please, tell me why we are here. Evolution will never be able to tell us why we are here. At best, it can explain how we got here. </p>
<p>Also, you say that evolution is a theory. This is not correct from an academic perspective. Evolution is considered a theorem by the scientific community. There are theories pertaining to evolution, but evolution, like gravity, is accepted as a fact. </p>
<p>So, why are we here?</p>
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